How could Carmen Greentree’s captors encouraged her to pray and read the Qur’an? They could do this because they believed what they were doing was entirely pleasing to Allah. A survivor of a Muslim rape gang in the UK has previously said that her rapists would quote Quran to her, and believed their actions justified by Islam. Thus it came as no surprise when Muslim migrants in France raped a girl and videoed the rape while praising Allah and invoking the Qur’an. And the victim of an Islamic State jihadi rapist recalled: “He told me that according to Islam he is allowed to rape an unbeliever. He said that by raping me, he is drawing closer to God…He said that raping me is his prayer to God.”
The Qur’an teaches that Infidel women can be lawfully taken for sexual use (cf. its allowance for a man to take “captives of the right hand,” 4:3, 4:24, 23:1-6, 33:50, 70:30). The Qur’an says: “O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.” (33:59) The implication there is that if women do not cover themselves adequately with their outer garments, they may be abused, and that such abuse would be justified.
“EXCLUSIVE: Australian surfer kidnapped and raped every night for two months on a squalid houseboat in India reveals how she escaped when her captor made one simple mistake – and why she fears there are other victims out there,” by Nic White, Daily Mail Australia, July 4, 2020:
A young pro surfer was held captive on a squalid houseboat and raped every night for two months after she was kidnapped in India.
Carmen Greentree was just 22 when she took time out from surfing to study under the Dalai Lama in the Himalayas in May 2004.
After saying goodbye to her parents in Sydney, she touched down in New Delhi and fell victim to scammers posing as government tourism operators.
Soon she was forced to sleep in a dingy bedroom on board where she was raped dozens of times and beaten whenever she asked to leave.
‘I didn’t think I was ever getting off that boat, I thought I would die there one way or another,’ she told Daily Mail Australia….
Ms Greentree was picked up from Srinagar airport on May 27 by Rafiq Ahmad Dundoo, who told her it was too dangerous to be outside alone as a woman and she needed to stay with him.
Dundoo told her she would spend the night on a houseboat, named Y H Sunbeam, on Dal Lake before getting on a bus to Dharamshala.
Staying on boats on the picturesque lake surrounded by mountains is a tourist attraction in the area, so this plan wasn’t out of the ordinary.
But very quickly after she arrived, Ms Greentree realised Dundoo had no intention of letting her leave and by the first night was already trying to force himself on her.
‘It was constant pressure from the moment I got there. He was never going to let me go,’ she said.
Ms Greentree was forced to sleep in a tiny, squalid bedroom where she fought off Dundoo’s nightly advances until she had nothing left.
‘The worst feeling was when I gave in and let him take what he wanted,’ she said.
‘That was the first time he raped me. I was too tired, I couldn’t fight anymore, and I knew he wasn’t going to stop.’
After days of resisting his advances and she gave in thinking once he raped her once he would let her go.
But instead he raped her every night and whenever else he wanted for the next two months, beating her whenever she asked to leave.
‘I lost track of how many times he raped me. I’ve blocked it out so much I don’t remember most of [the assaults] anymore,’ she said.
‘I was completely broken, I wasn’t even me anymore. I was existing as a shell.’…
On the boat were Dundoo’s elderly mother and father, two brothers, and his wife, and their baby. None of them would help her escape.
‘I attempted to tell Rafiq’s father in the hope he would help me but he was very dismissive straight away,’ she said.
‘I think his brothers and father knew [he was abusing me] but they thought it was normal, they just considered women to be property.’…
Ms Greentree was forced to wear traditional Kashmiri Muslim clothing, including a headscarf, and ate meals with the family.
She was made to work around the boat helping the women with cooking, cleaning, sorting grains of rice, and laundry.
She did it without complaint to avoid any trouble, but also just to have something to do.
‘They bought me a rug and heavily encouraged me to pray five times a day and gave me a Koran with English translations to learn. I read it cover to cover twice just to pass the time,’ she said….
The pair are believed to have spent six months in jail charged with rape before the case collapsed and they were released….
spiro says
nobody got concerned when she made no contact with home for two months
She was allowed to travel alone to India
How did she escape from the criminals
The article needs a little work to many loose ends
But ignorance is bliss as some say
The level of naivety is amazing
Keith O says
Spiro, People were looking for her, she was forced to call her family after money and the police were able to track her down from those calls.
Just do a search on her name, very interesting.
spiro says
I didn’t see any of that in the above article
In my opinion that information would have been helpful to make the article more complete
gravenimage says
Spiro, it is Muslims who don’t allow women to travel alone. Are you suggesting we enforce Purdah ourselves?
And as Keith notes, there is a lot of information out there on Carmen Greentree.
Here is one account:
https://nypost.com/2020/07/08/surfing-star-carmen-greentree-relives-two-month-rape-kidnap-nightmare/
But you are right–she was naive. She was also very young when victimized.
I had heard of this story at the time.
SteveFinSC says
Very young? At 22, my mother was married and already had a child. At 25, she and my father owned their first home. Youth is not the problem here. Ignorance is the problem. Lack of common sense is the problem. Don’t get me wrong – what happened to her should never happen to anyone. But, she should never have been there in the first place with no idea of what might be awaiting her. She needed to have a specific, vetted person she was meeting when she arrived, not some random guy off the street. She needed to not be alone. No, Western society doesn’t require women to travel with a man and should not, but she was traveling to Luxembourg. This was India. This is like the women hikers in Morocco who ended up raped, murdered and beheaded. Who thought it was a good idea to go to hiking in a Muslim country alone? That’s really lacking in common sense and an awareness of what’s going on in the place you’re going to.
gravenimage says
This was definitely unwise on her part, and I never intended to suggest otherwise–just the opposite, in fact.
It is one thing to suggest that Westerners learn more about the dangers of traveling abroad in general and of Islam in particular–how could she not have researched Kashmir?–it is another thing to suggest that we enforce Islamic strictures ourselves.
Chistopher Watson says
I feel very sorry for her but her level of naivety is amazing. She should never have been allowed out on her own let alone go to India without an escort. And trusting a moslem? That’s like asking if water is wet.
ntesdorf says
There was no mention of this incident in the Australian Media because it was extremely embarrassing to the official Multiculturism dogma.
gravenimage says
This is an Australian news source:
“Australian surfer abducted and raped in India at age 22”
https://7news.com.au/sport/surfing/australia-surfer-abducted-and-raped-in-india-at-age-22-c-1153181
Mike says
does this rug fly
Jodi says
Fanatical Muslims are penetrating this website. JW readers. Watch out and fight them.
gravenimage says
I don’t see any Muslims on this thread, Jodi.
But yes–Muslim apologists, including Jihadists, do post here quite frequently.
They usually expose just how ugly Islam really is. Unless they are directly threatening other posters, their comments are usually allowed to stand for just this reason.
And if you are new to Jihad Watch, Jodi, welcome!
FYI says
islamic apologists and trolls provide a most useful service because
[1]you can see that they don’t get the Irony of defending the violent religion which they call the ‘religion of peace’
[2]they choose not to get the illogicality of subscribing to a ‘holy’ book that is so full of errors that by allah’s own criterion of koran 4:82 it can only come from ‘other than allah’ and
[3] they show how by defending the indefensible that they have no moral compass.
When you give islamic apologists back their OWN islamic references they will usually say ‘oh that’s not what it means..you don’t understand the classical Arabic of the koran’ a trick which won’t work these days thanks to the internet and Arabic speaking ex-muslims/atheists/christians.
islamic trolls use Transference and Projection and will accuse you of the very things that muhammed is accused of{it is entirely predictable}.islamic trolls,as ex-muslims and atheist ‘apostates’ know well,love to pretend to be atheists,Hindus,Christans etc but that is not surprising given the koran permits taqqiya koran {3:28}.
The usual tricks:fiddling the Arabic to hide the errors,islamic whatboutery{what about this,what about that?},changing the topic,bringing up the Bible{which unfortunately for muslims,allah confirms koran 3:3 and tells muslims to consult those who know it koran 10:94}which is not actually relevant to ex-muslim atheists but is most likely to confirm they are infidels.
The only people that defend islam are brainwashed muslims of course{their lying ‘scholars’ and two-faced dawah deceivers},virtue-signalling leftists and stupid naive Dhimmi christians{it is surely difficult for an ex-muslim ‘apostate’ who has escaped that cult to be told by a dhimmi christian that islam is a peaceful tolerant religion..}
Even when you show muslims the ERRORS in the koran they absolutely REFUSE to accept the reality,preferring instead to live in denial aided by lying islamic ‘scholars’ and dawah conmen{who are like car salesmen trying to sell you a car with no engine and square tires}
The Holey koran is demonstrably bogus,islam’s ‘prophet’ is the most obvious false prophet in world history and ‘allah’ is quite obviously NOT the Biblical God YHWH.
The problem with muslims is that ‘they can’t handle the Truth’:their response shows it.
James Lincoln says
FYI,
An excellent and accurate post, my compliments.
I imagine that, once in a blue moon, a muslim looks at the facts “square” and just can’t stand the “cognitive dissonance”.
That response is rare, and happens only in muslims with average or above average IQs – who are in the minority.
Lower IQs due to inbreeding leads to increased aggressiveness and the inability to think critically – and little if any “cognitive dissonance”.
gravenimage says
Fine posts, FYI and James.
gravenimage says
India: Muslim kidnaps Australian surfer, repeatedly rapes her, gives her Qur’an and prayer rug
……………….
And notice how the rapist’s family–including the women–considered his abducting and raping a woman and using her as forced labor to be perfectly normal.
And how did the case “collapse”? This sounds more like lack of will on India’s part.
Are there more victims like Carmen Greentree in India and in other places with large Muslim populations? Hideously, likely so…
Aparna Gupta says
Kashmir used to have different law until recently govt made it a union territory. Kashmir has had been the most painful wound after india’s partition with rogue nation Pakistan. In india most dreaded rape cases involve muslims only and almost all of rape cases against minors involve muslim rapists. Kashmiri muslims kicked the real indigenous kashmiri hindus from kashmir to launch their jihad in india.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Aparna. I doubt that Carmen Greentree realized that Kashmir was a hotbed of Jihad terror–she was hoping to study with the Dalai Lama.
sidney penny says
“And how did the case “collapse”? This sounds more like lack of will on India’s part.”
I think it was more that Greentree decided not to return to India to testify.
Giacomo Latta says
Greentree did a huge disservice to women everywhere by not returning to India to testify. Who knows, the next victim might be another Matilda.
gravenimage says
I agree, Giacomo. I understand that she was traumatized, but she *should* have gone back to testify, to help save future victims.
Tony V says
I recall even in Denver Colorado In the 1980’s we had a huge influx of wealthy Muslim Arab men from Dubai, UAE, Saudi Arabia and other places in the Middle East. They came to study at CU and DU. Some even attended the smaller community colleges. They sometimes talked about the Pretty White women that some of them would convince to travel back to their countries to sell to other men and to use as servants and slaves. The women came from Detroit, New York, LA & Miami. When the women made it to their countries they would take away their IDs and passports. They drove Ferrari’s and other rare & expensive cars. One of them even bought a popular night club in Denver in the Late 1980’s.
Gray says
In my view, cases like this, where young infidel women travelling overseas are raped and, in many cases killed, by Muslims, stand as a stunning indictment of the Cultural Elites in the West. With one voice, the Western Elites proclaim that Islam is a Religion of Peace, that Muslims are all wonderful human beings, who respect other Faiths while revering women, and that anyone saying anything against Islam is guilty of Hate Speech and a racist. Is it any wonder that so many of the young women travelling in Muslim countries are so naïve, and so totally ill prepared to deal with the duplicity and complete evil that is Islam?
gravenimage says
This is *so* true, Gray. It is apologists for Islam who put this young woman in danger.
sidney penny says
“Dundoo’s mother didn’t speak any English, but she talked to his wife who told her how she gave up a promising medical career to marry him.
‘She said it was her honour… that she gave up everything to serve her husband and that’s how she serves Allah,’ she said.”
Pleasing to Allah.
The wife did not say whether what her husband was doing was wrong or ask why Ms Greentree was there for so long. ?
gravenimage says
Oh, I’m sure she knew. There were hundreds of reported cases of wives in the Islamic State helping their husbands take sex slaves. The same was true of mothers.
Just more of her serving her husband to serve “Allah”.
revereridesagain says
Islam advocates amputation of a hand for the thief because the hand “commits” the crime? I think we should respond in kind to Muslim rapists.
gravenimage says
This won’t work–you can’t look to Shari’ah law for justice. Raping Infidels is *perfectly Halal* in Islam.
European pagan says
His family was there, his MOTHER, and noone helped her… :/
Henry Mansfield says
As we see headlines every day showing governments enforcing political correctness where it used to be suggested, I wonder what liberals will eventually dream up as punishment for a person taking aside a 12 year old female relative and giving her ‘The Talk’ about Muslims.
A regular visitor to this website could go on for an hour about Islamic scripture, history and recent events and this hypothetical 12 year old would have heard none or very little of the subject matter. Liberals and Muslims like it this way.
I could see a future where giving such a ‘Talk’ could earn someone a year’s worth of weekend picking up roadside trash while wearing an orange jumpsuit.
R Holroyd says
WHY was the case dropped?
OLD GUY says
Sick bunch of perverts those muslims.